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Oh gosh, I know, Hook. I sure would not be TERRIFIED IF ALL MY CHILDREN WERE BORN WITH HOOKS. PS. Don't think you know how babies/DNA work, Hook
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Haha, if you're disturbed by the fact that Hook loves his iron appendage so much, you should totally read this essay . It's long, however . Make sure you have some free time in your hands . ^^www.academia.edu/1616095/Capta…
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Haha, thanks, though I'm not really a huge fan of papers that read SOOO much into a story like that (sometimes a hook is just a hook). Plus, the paper writer said that the hooks "supplied his last name" but... he was always Hook, even at school (which is super weird and a happy accident ) There are a few things you can read into the story, like Barrie's hangups about mothers (which if you know his past tootally makes sense) and things like growing up and fleeting youth and stuff. Other than that, the story is mostly just a story ^_^ Ahah, sorry, super nerdy about this book, lol.
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I don't think he was called "Hook" at school . It might have been mentioned in the story "Hook at Eton", but I really think it's a nickname he gave himself , who eventually replaced his real last name . Then , irony caught him up, when Peter cut off his hand, and that he had to replace it with an actual hook .
I guess it depends of your definition of "nerdy" . If you mean someone obsessed by something -here, the story and its character- , that person will probably go on and over-analyzing every thing on the story . Personally ,I just love over-analyzing things I like .^^ Barrie didn't probably think of all that -subconscious is awesome- , but it give the possibilty of a lot interpretations, and I think it's pretty cool . Plus it way more funnier than talking about politics and economy , all those things "that matters in real life" .Pffff...!
I especially liked the part where the writer states that the hook is designed depending on the version of the character , because I think there is some truth in it. We all do that, whetever we realize it or not, because the hook reflects the personality of our version .In my opinion, your hook's hook resembles to the one the Isaac's version, because your James looks a bit like his incarnation of the character , and because your Hook really seems to be a tough and action guy , an adversary who's a force to be reckoned with, a dangerous opponent .
There, I've done my over-analyzing rant, my duty is done . ^^
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Well, according to the speech, the books he check out at Eton would have the name "Jacobus Hook" in them, and I feel like the librarians wouldn't just left him scribble in a fake name, so that's my basis for my conclusion ^_^
Oh, I don't have a definition of nerdy, I just call myself one lol, It's hard to explain what I considered nerdy ^_^ Ahah, understandable ^_^ I just don't like to over-analyze things, it kinda take the magic out for me, especially since many authors tend to get upset with their works are over analyzed ^_^;
Oh, my Hook is VERY much inspired by Jason Isaac's hook, only because I feel that's the best portrayal of book Hook out there, mannerisms-wise, so I try to keep him in mind when I draw ^_^ It's a combination of channeling that Hook and then going as true to the book as I can ^_^
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Well, Hook is an anti-conformist, so I wouldn't be surprised he'd give false information . I think he probably liked this name better than his original name, that wouldn't be a surprise either....Because "Jacobus Hook" sounds friggin' awesome !^^
Well, definitions like "nerd" or"geek" seems to change every couple of years , so it doesn't matter that much ,anyway . Well, personally, I do think that "over-analyzing" actually do add some magic to their work . ^^ Well the kind that says "Duuurr!! This is racist..." or stuff , but the kind that dives into the psychology and symbolism of the characters . Of course, when fan analyze something , it's their own opinion based on their own experiences, but it can leads to some interesting debate . But yeah, you just won't shove it the author's face if he didn't ask for it . It's just interpretations .
Well, Jason Isaac'sHook IS a good inspiration . The more I think about it, the more he seems to be a 2.0 version of the original Captain Hook . He's basically as interesting, but he's also a way more legitimate threat to Peter and Neverland in general : he captures Lily on purpose, he manipulates BOTH Tinkerbell (just as the Disney version does) and Wendy, he mentally torments Peter, and almost wins his battle against Peter . You can really see that the character has been adapted for the cinema medium , and to fit better in our nowadays villains standards, which is pretty good . Only complain is that he lacks the fabulousness of Hoffman Hook . ^^
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Yeah, I'd wish we'd gotten a bit more about his childhood in the speech, since he seemed like he tried to fit in in some ways, but things seemed to change when he went to uni, so who knows. Jacobus Hook is TOTALLY awesome ^_^
I do like interesting interpretations for sure, but there is a point where it goes tooo far and can leave the original story behind in the dust, or even overshadow parts of the story. Like when people try to read into, say LotR and say things that like, Tolkien said wasn't the case, then it becomes an issue ^_^ Even tho he's not alive anymore, it's still kinda frustrating to hear them say "oh yeah, LotR is totally a metaphor for blah blah" and so on ^_^
I don't recall the Tink manipulation in the movie? but it has been a while ^_^;; The Wendy part tho, very interesting for sure it was a fun twist to that adaptation. I did love how dangerous he was, but slightly less murdery than the original book, lol ^_^
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Well, the mystery is part of what makes Hook such a great character . Everyone can come up with theories and debate with it .
To me, James got to have some aristocratic blood in him ,(whether being legitimate or not), and thus followed at first a sophisticated education , but up to his 16/20's , he probably didn't want to follow the rules and path that were traced for him ,so he flewed and sailed the sea ... The man is a free spirit, and deep down , a spoiled brat who only wanted to do what he pleased .
I get your point . It reminds me of my literature classes back when I was in high-school . Sometimes I ended up asking : "did the author really think about all this?!" But at the same time, books become reader's playground as much as the author's, so they end reading what they want , depending on who they are, their experience of life and so on .Art functions a lot like that, I think. But again, it's tre theories are better when they fit with the source material. For example, if I say that James was an alien sent to Earth when he was a baby, nobody could bring facts that it didn't happen, but we all know this would be totally unbelievable and irrelevant . ^^
Well, in Isaacs Hook DOES catch Tink at some point . I don't recall if SHE reveals the lair's place of the Lost Boys, of if it's Wendy , but Hook surely manipulates the fairy a bit . "Less murderous" ,? I'm not sure about that . he kills some of his crew members throughout the movie . ^^
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That's true.
Hehe, yeah, I think I don't have so many headcanons, but I have so many characters to deal with in the adaptation and I'm staying so close, that I don't really want to give myself anything extra to think about ^_^;;
I do like theories that fit the material, but as a writer/artist myself I can definietly see the frustration of people reading into things. Tolkein for one HATED it when people called LotR a giant metaphor for WW2, that just drove him around the bend. Not sure about all authors, but I tend to err on the side of caution, if I can.
Oh man, it has been a while, I can't remember the Tink/Hook thing, but yeah, I like the book a bit better in the aspect that Tink doesn't betray their spot and that Hook is just smart enough to figure out that THERE ARE TREES WITH HOLES and stuff, lol. He kills the same amount of his own men as in the book, but in the book they also kill most of Tiger Lily's tribe in the battle over the underground house, which wasn't in the movie. It's not by much, but it's very hard to portray the book characters in spots and still keep a PG rating or something lol. The boys also murder most all the pirates in the fight, so the movie definitely made them less murdery, eheh.
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Yeah , I can get your point . By the way, keep up your work on Peter Pan ! It's an ambitious project you're doing here, almost professional ,and I hope you will be able to get at the end of it . My encouragements to you !
Some compared LOTR to WW2? Seriously? Well, I suppose that if you dig a looooot you can get to this conclusion , but again, the two things are about war ( except one is reality, the other one is fiction), so it sure will have some connections, because well, it's war, but this ends here.
Haha, yes you're right, there's a bit more of a violence in the book , that's for sure . I guess Disney, Spielberg and Hogan(the 2003 movie) had to keep the whole thing PG. ^^I have no problem imagining Disney Hook or Isaacs Hook killing more of their men, Lost Boys or Indians, though . They just weren't allowed to do it because of their contracts with the directors. ^^
Well, once you know that there is a chimney/mushroom coming from the ground, I guess it's easy to figure out that the Lost Boys come off from trees .
Personally, I like the Disney and Hogan versions better, because I surely enjoy manipulative villains . And it underlines the fact that they put SO MUCH effort into searching the Boy's lair , that you end up thinking they kind of deserve to find it . ^^
As for the Indians/Pirates fight, the Disney movie actually had the scene in the early story-boards , and the way the pirates get the Lost Boys and the Darling is pretty similar to the book as well . But like I said :" gotta keep it PG !!" ^^ Plus, even if I love Disney Hook , I have a hard time imagining him defeating the Indian Grand Chief so easily , in a hand-to-hook fight (because that's how Disney would have put the fight . Hook was participating on it) . I mean, HE COULD, but it would take it more time . ^^
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Yay, thanks! ^_^
Yeah, the imagery and stuff, like the eagles coming in the final battle to help (clearly, they're AMERICA or some nonsense). But yeaaah.
Oh, of course, and the live action one might have been PG-13? I can't remember. ^_^;;
Well yeah, the rating was important, but in the book, as far as I know, we never even meet the Chief, just Tiger Lily. Plus, in the book, the only reason Hook wins is that he attacks "improperly" because otherwise, he'd never been able to catch them off guard or something.
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Wut, Eagles are "america". Meh, I thought they were more like "plot device" or "deus ex machina".
Apparently the 2003 Peter Pan was thought to be way darker than usual, so they might have the PG-13.
You say "improperly", but I keep thinking "smartly". ^^
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I think you actually have to get into some of his other material to get into how the eagles work, but yeah, they are way more different in the books than the movies.
Oh, I didn't hear that. As long as they don't add extra darkness and just stick with the book, it'd be fine ^_^;;
Oh, I'm just quoting the book ^_^;;
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Still got to finish the first book. I wonder if I'm gonna make it to the third one.^^
Well, about the darkness, I still think the 2003 version is pretty close to the book. While I like the light-hearted atmosphere in the Disney version, the 2003 version reminded us pretty well, that Neverland was a pretty dangerous place, albeit magical.
No biggies, don't worry. ^^
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Wouldn't the baby rip out her insides if he was born with a hook? And imagine the state she'd be in when she'd have to push that hook baby out! Nooooo thank you!
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Children born with hooks instead of hands...*shudder* Ew, um, no thank you Mr. Hook 
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Oh man, me too, I can't stop thinking about the play at this part ^_^;;
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Is... is Smee blushing? Wow, man-crush much Smee?
Which made that scene ten times better for me actually. He's just so smitten looking.
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ahah, no, that's just the reflection on his glasses ^_^
Ahah, though, he does think Hook is the Bees Knees ^_^
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*laughs* Aw, that's almost to bad. XD
I would imagine, otherwise he'd look terrified rather then mystified. XD
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Hm... those might just be glasses lines, but that shaltn't ruin it for me!
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Hehe, yes he is, but we love him anyway ^_^
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And that's why Hook isn't allowed to adopt children.
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And that just reminds me of the 'if I was a mother' moment from the Cathy Rigby version...
Hehe, that's in the Mary Martin one too ^_^ Oh man, I hear this WHOLE part in that Smee and Hook's voices 
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